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Date: 22 Sep 2001 Sat 10:13 PM From: Stephan Cyriacus, Leipzig Subject: Re: guestbook.cyriac-fhp.com is up; is it okay to include your email address dear Ruben,
kind regards
OUTSTANDING!! I couldn't figure out how to save the now renamed de-cyriacus.wav file from your message, so after activating into the cache by listening to it, I sorted the cache by time, saw it encoded as the last file therein, copied to my sounds directory, renamed it and cloned it to the web site directories and server. You should now be able to click it on any of the following pages: Yours is the first I've received from anyone. Have also started on our French genealogy at our new Wisconsin Theriault's Home Page.Check the Leipzig page next week. It should be done by then.
Dear Ruben,
Dieter Cyriax (dcyriax@swk.namib.com) should be showing up as the CC: and Stephan Cyriacus as the To: in this and should have in the prior message. I get so involved and mentally cluttered in what I'm doing on the computer after a few hours it's difficult to remember my name, let alone what the next tasks are. (I may have sent him yours, but not you his. In any case, here they are for both of you.) I'm sure Dieter would love to contact your auntie in Namibia. (I didn't realize she was still there.) Maybe a family connection could be hinted at by facial similarities - as was the case when the Cyriax of England saw my oldest brother for the first time. The Leipzig page is on the web site, now, but without the 1600 ~ 1860 portion of the family tree, which I'm still about to begin finishing next week. I won't put any part of the African tree on the web site because the information is too current and confidential and should be known to the living relatives through their extended, local families, anyway. That information can't possibly help others connect to their more distant relatives, so leaving it off the web site doesn't hamper anyone's research. Have also begun adding sound to the web site - allowing users with user friendly browsers, Netscape 4.07 is what I use, to merely click the speaker symbol to hear the pronounciation of the name. If you two have microphones plugged into your computers, [ I use a twenty year old one that came with an old tape recorder ], please access your "SOUND RECORDER" and make a recording of your last names in "TELEPHONE QUALITY" Cyriacus.wav and Cyriax.wav files and send them to me as an attachment to an email. I'll then upload them to the server and make them accessible at the web site for others. Eventually, we can create a world wide sound library of how various branches pronounce it. (The telephone quality, versus radio or CD, creates the smallest sized file. It's selected via Edit and then Audio Properties.) Took a week off to create my mother's Theriault Cajun connection web
site and another for my nephew after attending his son's 10th birthday
party this past Saturday. His is a more uncluttered, normal web
site. None of the others I've created over the past year were so
simple!
Dear Ruben,
Thanx again for your kind assistance
Attached is an image of what's on my hard drive for the CYRIACUS family from 1402 through the mid-1800s. A refined image of this, without the file folders and with some coloring and tree images added will be what's uploaded to the Cryiac Family History Project web site. It will display as an image on the leipzig.HTM page. (All the 'pure' genealogical files begin with a "T", which originally stood for TREE.) The 1839Max&Clara & 1839Max&Helene portions will display in their proper place in the final image, but the detail beyond the 1869~1880 generation is considered confidential. You'll get a personal, image file copy of that confidential detail when it's ready in another month or so. The initial priority is to update the web site with the information that can be shared to help others in their efforts. Please note the following changes to the information obtained via your GEDCOM+ conversion program. Seeing the actual source GEDCOMs or the church records would help determine which of my assumptions are more likely, but until then, here's what's been revised: Georg & Andreas are more likely brothers or cousins. Their birth years are too close. The same goes for Michael, Tobias and Joh; but there may be a missing link between 1654Tobias and 1702Friedrich, although, especially in our Cyriac family, an age of 48 years for the father is not unusual. (It is highly unusual, especially if any were farmers, for fewer than six children to have been born to any generation.) Otherwise, the 30 year average for each generation is entirely in line with our German heritage. (My mother's French side averaged 25 years per generation over the past 400 years. When guessing at birth years on our German side, which is required in order to intelligently compare each generation, I always use 30 as the average age of the father at birth of the first child. That's the basis for the years reflected in the image which weren't in your original detail. The most interesting possibility to linking you to others is with the 1623917MichaelCyriax(Cyriacus)1678409, who was found by Werner Ciriack of Berlin, Germany to have been born in Kunitz on the Saale River near Jena/Erfurt and to have died in nearby Naumburg. [The dates are CCYYmdd format to facilitate sorting and limit the amount of space required by Windows Explorer's long file name facility. October, November and December are represented by o, n and d; and Jan ~ Sep by 1 ~ 9.] Werner's ancestors used Celiax and Cyriax, so your ancestors may have just as likely been Cyriax, too, as any of the rest of us. That Werner found the Cyriax(Cyriacus) spellings for the same individual is highly significant, although I've not seen the source document(s) upon which that information is based. I've long suspected that Erfurt is the hub for our family from around 1000 A.D. in Germany. The X spelling seems to predominate in that area, the Z in the Mecklenburg area and now the U with your information around Leipzig. Well, I'm on my way to catch a bus to go downtown to make 36 x 38 inch
photocopies of my Hildebrand's Travel Map of the Federal Republic of
Germany. When put together, we'll have a 65 x 45 inch full map of
Germany in which I can start sticking different colored pins representing
the locations where Cyriax, Cyriacus, Ciriack, Ziriacks, Zirjacks,
Cyriacks, etc. have been found. It's all getting too complicated
and enormous for my aging brain to hold together. In time, a color
picture of that map will be uploaded to the web site.
Use this URL Michael Cyriax (Cyriacus) instead of the one reflecting only Salomon Cyriacus indicated in my earlier email of today. Also got an email from Dieter Cyriax of Namibia, Africa, today. His family is also from the Weimar area, south of Leipzig. It's may be just a coincidence that you both have connections to
Namibia and also share the Cyriax=Cyriacus connection but I think
not. We'll probably find a common connection to all the Berlin,
Leipzig, Weimar, Jena, Gotha, Erfurt Cyriax=Cyriacus family within a few
years when more resources become electronically available via the
Internet.
There appear to be three saints most revered: St. Cyr, Cyric, Cyriacus, Quiric, Quirig, Quiracus, etc AND (most importantly) his mother, St. Julitta or Julietta. These seem to be most represented in Britain and refer to the small child who couldn't stop proclaiming his Christianity, like his mother, until the magistrate got fed up, grabbed him by his legs and dashed him into martyrdom. That took place in ancient Turkey at the time of the FINAL Great Persecution of Diocletian of 304~313. St. Judas Cyriacus who is the patron saint of Ancona, Italy has a lot of 'legend' associated with his history that makes it a problem among scholars of history. [ 3/27/09: paragraph updated for current knowledge. ] Lastly, the one I believe is a relative of ours, the Deacon Cyriacus
who was beheaded in Rome,
probably around 304 A.D. and whose name is listed, along with Peter, Paul
and Jesus Christ, as one of the first 54, plus, saints of the ancient
Christian Church. He's the one most revered in Germany, one of the
14 holy helpers and the one to whom most of the Cyriacus, Cyriakus,
Cyriacks, etc. churches in
northern Europe are dedicated. His father or uncle may have been
the Bishop of Ostia, probably martyred around 249 ~ 259. His mother
or aunt may have been St. Cyriaca
of the The Deacons in your family may have been: A. unrelated religious individulas who took the name of their role model, Deacon Cyriacus, above; or
B. family members of a religious inclination, who got back into 'formal' religious endeavours in honor of their famous relative. In both cases, the timing appears to be just after the reformation of Martin Luther. In any case, heroism and rebelling against the status quo in favor of one's firmly held beliefs seem to be part of the Cyriac family genetic heritage. The multiple appearance of the name Cyriac, for both males and females,
in the inscriptions of the ancient and pre-5th century catacombs of Rome
indicate that our family name was both popular and religious in those
times. There's no reason not to believe that those families
continue on to today - with us among their descendents.
Dear Ruben,
1. Maybe Christian from the old Greek words "Kyrie", which is God (known from Kyrie eleison) and from "eikos", which is house. Hence Cyriacus means: House of God, or church, or the Lord lives within me. Therefore we've got all the old Saints and churches called Sanct Cy. 2. from Kyrie too, which this time maybe translated as "master" and the Greek word kosein, which means "reign". Then Cyriacus would mean: the reigning master or "teacher". Today Kyriakos is widely used in Greece as first name or as by-name for teachers. Because my family has both professions among my forefathers, priests as well as teachers and professors, it is still unclear to me, which of these two interpretations is correct. By the way: Only few hundred years ago people use to select, modify and change their names freely. Some names were even given by other people to a family I am using a PC-program called "Ahnengalerie 1.6", which is able to generate, ex- and import GEDCOM-files. By for now and good luck to all of you
Thanks a lot for the information. I'll be placing it all on my hard drive this morning. I use the "long file name" capability of Windows Explorer to create the generational family trees as sub-directories on same. The limit is around 8 generations per tree. That makes analysis, updating, backing-up, transmittal, etc. much easier than anything else I've seen, so far. (The various .gif image family trees on the web site are 'edited' versions of those directory trees.) Your's is the first reference I can remember of family in the Leipzig area. (Unlike my oldest brother, John A. cc: above to his USA and temporary DE email addresses, I believe that all the "last named" Cyriac are related to families springing forth from at least the 3rd century in the Mediterranean. Whether all those families were related to each other is another question - depending upon whether the name was a religious title evolving into a family name or was a family name from pre-Christian history. Then, as today, many of the Bishops of the ancient Church seem to have come from wealthy families. The few references to Bishop Cyriacus of Ostia, circa 250 A.D., presumably martyred without much surviving history is the earliest indication of that. ) Eventually, cheap DNA testing will prove whether my assumption is true, but in the meantime, the web site and research centers on the name itself - regardless of whether we are all related or not. Researching the developmental history of various regions of ancient and medievil Germany to get an idea of how the various locales were settled seems to be the lastest addition to my "TO DO" list. The family name should follow those same migration patterns - especially if it was already a family used to migrating in ancient times around the Mediterranean. I've been testing the new AllTheWeb search engine and found dozens of hits on Cyriacus, Ciriacks, Cyriacks, Cyriaca and Cyriax not found via the SNAP.COM (previously best) search engine. They have been placed on the web site at the dozens of pages applicable. (There are too many changes constantly ongoing for me to add "new" indicators all the time. Family members will just have to browse and discover the changes for themselves every now and then.) Well, as they used to sign off in the old cowboy movies of the 1940s and '50s, .. until we meet again ... email addresses Leipzig Cyriacus page thread topics From: Stephan Cyriacus Subject: Re: Cyriacus, Cyriacks, Cyriax, Ciriacks, Kiriakos, et al Dear Ruben,
Maybe you find useful.
--------------------------------------------------------------------- Nachfahren-Liste von Cyriacus ? (07. August 99) A : ? Cyriacus. Er hat 2 Kinder : ------------- B.1 : Christoph Cyriacus, Lehrer in Magdeburg 1609. Er hat 1 Kind : ------------- C.1.1 : Georg Cyriacus, heiratete Anastasia Cyriacus am 09.11.1603. Er hat 1 Kind : ------------- D.1.1.1 : Andreas Cyriacus, geboren im Jahre 1604, Diakon in Zossen 1638-58, gestorben in Ahrensdorf im Jahre 1675. Er hat 1 Kind : ------------- E.1.1.1.1 : Anton Cyriacus, Diakon in Salzungen ~ 1649-59. Er hat 1 Kind : ------------- F.1.1.1.1.1 : Michael Cyriacus, Kärner in Naumburg. Er hat 1 Kind : ------------- G.1.1.1.1.1.1 : Joh. Cyriacus, Pfarrer in Klein-Leinungen 1684. Er hat 1 Kind : ------------- H.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 : Tobias Cyriacus, geboren im Jahre 1654, Bürgermeister in Eisleben 1688-92, gestorben am 29.02.1724. Er hat 1 Kind : ------------- I.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 : Friedrich Gottlieb Cyriacus, geboren am 10.12.1702, Pfarrer in Kötzschen, gestorben am 06.11.1757. Er hat 1 Kind : ------------- J.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 : Johann August Cyriacus, geboren in Bündorf im Jahre 1732, Pfarrer in Bündorf/Merseburg, gestorben in Bündorf am 06.12.1784. Er hat 1 Kind : ------------- K.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 : August Karl Friedrich Cyriacus, geboren in Bündorf/Merseburg am 08.06.1762, Pfarrer in Zeschwitz 1787-1836, gestorben in Zeschwitz am 28.10.1836. (Notizen : Gymnasium: Halle Waisenhaus) Er hat 1 Kind : ------------- L.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 : Ludwig Carl Gustav Cyriacus, geboren am 18.01.1804, Kaufmann in Leipzig, gestorben in Leipzig am 06.07.1866. Er hat 1 Kind : ------------- M.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 : |
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